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  <title>Episode 130: Pizza Portals, Lost Freight, and Corporate Theme Songs, with Ben Savage</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Ben Savage built the Little Caesars Pizza Portal, and says the cubbies mostly don't need heat. People just feel better when they're warm.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;Ben Savage is CEO and founder of Veritas Automata, a consultancy doing AI, blockchain and IoT, and CTO at Apex, where one of his teams built the Little Caesars Pizza Portal. He explains why those pickup cubbies mostly don't need heat (people just feel better when they're warm), what a logistics check call is, and why a routing algorithm is really a search algorithm. Whitney and Coté ask how a consultancy keeps its bench busy, and when code is too safety-critical to let AI write it: a robot can't "-ish" a command. Also: model routers, decision models, and turning SEC filings into corporate theme songs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can watch &lt;a href="https://youtu.be/A0wFWpxcf7k" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;the video version of this episode&lt;/a&gt; as well, if you prefer that kind of thing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mentions:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://veritasautomata.com/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Veritas Automata&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://apexorderpickup.com/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Apex Order Pickup&lt;/a&gt;, the food pickup lockers.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-savage-0700b21/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Ben on LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqZqmMo1Cw1OAQf-ybyFwTlzBdAem_LeN" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Truth in Automation: The Deep Dive&lt;/a&gt;, the Veritas Automata podcast.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.npr.org/2026/09/18/nx-s1-5974101/dominos-pizza-tracker-labor-illusion" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Domino's Pizza Tracker Theory of Everything&lt;/a&gt;, from Planet Money.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfaoDCn83bw" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Business!&lt;/a&gt;, Louie Zong's album of corporate music.&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Special Guest: Ben Savage.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Special Guest: Ben Savage.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Ben Savage is CEO and founder of Veritas Automata, a consultancy doing AI, blockchain and IoT, and CTO at Apex, where one of his teams built the Little Caesars Pizza Portal. He explains why those pickup cubbies mostly don't need heat (people just feel better when they're warm), what a logistics check call is, and why a routing algorithm is really a search algorithm. Whitney and Coté ask how a consultancy keeps its bench busy, and when code is too safety-critical to let AI write it: a robot can't "-ish" a command. Also: model routers, decision models, and turning SEC filings into corporate theme songs.</p>

<p>You can watch <a href="https://youtu.be/A0wFWpxcf7k" rel="nofollow noopener">the video version of this episode</a> as well, if you prefer that kind of thing.</p>

<p>Mentions:</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://veritasautomata.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Veritas Automata</a></li>
<li><a href="https://apexorderpickup.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Apex Order Pickup</a>, the food pickup lockers.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-savage-0700b21/" rel="nofollow noopener">Ben on LinkedIn</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqZqmMo1Cw1OAQf-ybyFwTlzBdAem_LeN" rel="nofollow noopener">Truth in Automation: The Deep Dive</a>, the Veritas Automata podcast.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2026/09/18/nx-s1-5974101/dominos-pizza-tracker-labor-illusion" rel="nofollow noopener">The Domino's Pizza Tracker Theory of Everything</a>, from Planet Money.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfaoDCn83bw" rel="nofollow noopener">Business!</a>, Louie Zong's album of corporate music.</li>
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<p>Special Guest: Ben Savage.</p><p>Special Guest: Ben Savage.</p>]]>
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<p>You can watch <a href="https://youtu.be/A0wFWpxcf7k" rel="nofollow noopener">the video version of this episode</a> as well, if you prefer that kind of thing.</p>

<p>Mentions:</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://veritasautomata.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Veritas Automata</a></li>
<li><a href="https://apexorderpickup.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Apex Order Pickup</a>, the food pickup lockers.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-savage-0700b21/" rel="nofollow noopener">Ben on LinkedIn</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqZqmMo1Cw1OAQf-ybyFwTlzBdAem_LeN" rel="nofollow noopener">Truth in Automation: The Deep Dive</a>, the Veritas Automata podcast.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2026/09/18/nx-s1-5974101/dominos-pizza-tracker-labor-illusion" rel="nofollow noopener">The Domino's Pizza Tracker Theory of Everything</a>, from Planet Money.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfaoDCn83bw" rel="nofollow noopener">Business!</a>, Louie Zong's album of corporate music.</li>
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<p>Special Guest: Ben Savage.</p><p>Special Guest: Ben Savage.</p>]]>
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